Session Start: Mon Dec 14 00:00:00 2009
Session Ident: #glitchpc
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[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here.'
[00:00] * Set by Calum on Wed Dec 09 05:59:26
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[05:11] <@GlitchPC> !help
[05:13] <@GlitchPC> ChanbotII Tip: if too many requests come to Rog at one time, he may decide to ignore them, or you.
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[05:29] <@GlitchPC> I just want to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas. Money's tough...times are hard...here's your freakin' Christmas card: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B6DzxwoNNA
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[08:57] <Ashley> hello street1 and jacky
[08:57] <@Calum> hello all...
[08:57] <Ashley> and hello Calum
[08:57] <@Calum> and hello ashley
[08:57] <@jacky> Ashley: Hello
[08:57] <@jacky> Calum: Hello
[08:57] <@Calum> seems like it's been a while since I was here...much new?
[08:58] <@jacky> Calum: nothing jumps right to mind. :)
[08:58] <@jacky> talked to street some, yesterday. He seems to be recovering ok
[08:58] <@Calum> that's good
[09:00] <@jacky> !seen craig
[09:01] <@jacky> Ashley: did you get lucky and get to talk to Craig or Tux yet?
[09:02] <Ashley> nope not yet
[09:02] <@jacky> Ashley: you might want to post the description and link, in a post on Glitch's forum. Somebody there will likely be able to direct you.
[09:03] <Ashley> ok
[09:03] <@jacky> taht way, the post is there, 24/7, not like here where you have to wait for somebody to appear
[09:03] <@jacky> each method has its advantages and disadvantages.
[09:03] <@jacky> :)
[09:03] <Ashley> ye
[09:05] <@Calum> jacky: not to interrupt, but you know some amount about cars, right?
[09:05] <@jacky> used to. old info
[09:06] <@jacky> not the modern, computer controlled stuff
[09:06] <@jacky> :)
[09:06] <@jacky> what's up?
[09:06] <@Calum> some weird issues, not exactly problems (yet?) with mine
[09:06] <@Calum> coolant is dropping, and it;s not going anywhere
[09:06] <@Calum> engine temp was too low, now as of yesterday it's quite high, heater doesn't work
[09:07] <@jacky> "not going anywhere" ... meaning - you don't see it on the ground under the car?
[09:07] <@Calum> yes, and I also can't see a leak when the engine is off, on, or after it';s been running
[09:07] <@jacky> there is another place it can go
[09:07] <@jacky> it can go out the exhaust pipe..
[09:07] <@jacky> if it does... if it is a lot... it will smoke to high heaven... white smoke
[09:07] <@Calum> ah yeah, it's not though....not a lot of smoke
[09:08] <@jacky> if it is a little, you might not see it
[09:08] <@jacky> and if it is doing this.. it is likely bad.
[09:08] <@Calum> I've seen my friend's car when his head gasket went and this is nothing like that
[09:08] <@jacky> like a head gasket
[09:08] <@Calum> no warer in the oil either
[09:08] <@Calum> *water
[09:08] <@jacky> you have experienced it then
[09:08] <@jacky> :)
[09:08] <@Calum> friend's car had it's head gasket go, actually two of his cars did
[09:08] <@jacky> for now, be SURE to check the coolant level, before starting the car
[09:08] <@jacky> running it low on coolant, will be bad
[09:09] <@Calum> yep
[09:09] <@jacky> also, by checking it often
[09:09] <@jacky> you will get a feel for the rate of loss
[09:09] <@Calum> true
[09:09] <@jacky> that might be a clue
[09:09] <@jacky> somehow
[09:09] <@Calum> see, I do have a theory on the coolant dropping
[09:09] <@jacky> you said the heater quit... that could be due to very low coolant level
[09:09] <@jacky> not good
[09:10] <@jacky> what's your theory?
[09:10] <@Calum> the garage replaced my heater matrix the other week, thinking that when they topped it up perhaps there was an air bubble or something, as me and my dad topped up the coolant last week, and it's dropped a lot since...thinking maybe there was an air bubble, or bubbles, in the system, which have now bled out
[09:11] <@jacky> could be, I suppose
[09:11] <@Calum> I did go on a long drive yesterday, which was when I noticed the higher than normal engine temp
[09:11] <@jacky> but I'd think you would have had some more indications
[09:11] <@jacky> if a motor is air locked... a bubble... it'll get hot
[09:11] <@jacky> not good
[09:12] <@jacky> how far higher than normal engine temp though? much?
[09:12] <@Calum> well "normal" is too cold actually, it was running just below 80. Yesterday it went to just over 90, I';d say 95? And stayed there for the whole journey
[09:12] <@jacky> !g 95C in F =
[09:13] <@Calum> I checked, and the thermostat is supposed to open at 89, and be fully open at 99
[09:13] <@jacky> that's not waay high.
[09:13] <@jacky> old cars, used to have thermostats in the 165 to 185 range
[09:13] <@jacky> if I recall
[09:13] <@jacky> so... whatever your source of info that you checked.... is saying that that temp is in the range of normal?
[09:14] <@jacky> !g 89C in F =
[09:14] <@Calum> yep, my guage goes from 70C-110C
[09:14] <@Calum> *gauge
[09:14] <@Calum> so 95 is a little over the middle
[09:14] <@jacky> and 95 is in the "normal" range on your gauge?
[09:14] <@Calum> yep
[09:14] <@jacky> if so... then good.
[09:15] <@jacky> and.. has it EVER been above normal?
[09:15] <@jacky> as in "hot" ?
[09:15] <@jacky> !g 110c in F =
[09:15] <@Calum> nope, this is the highest I've ever seen it, before yesterday it ran very cool, 75-80
[09:15] <@jacky> is this a diesel?
[09:15] <@Calum> yep
[09:15] <@Calum> sorry should've mentioned that
[09:15] <@jacky> I just rememembered
[09:15] <@jacky> hehe
[09:16] <@jacky> I think... and not at all sure... that they do run cold, until they've had a load on them for a while
[09:16] <@jacky> but.. you need to ask a diesel person that
[09:16] <@jacky> but... based on what you've said
[09:16] <@Calum> yeah, they won;t warm up from idling, I know that
[09:16] <@jacky> it has never run hot, and that is a Good Thing
[09:16] <@jacky> so.. you need more info
[09:16] <@Calum> my plan is to completely drain and flush the coolant system when I get time, as it probably needs doing anyway .... then refill, and check the thermostat while I'm there
[09:16] <@jacky> you need to check it daily, once before it has been started... while it is dead cold
[09:16] <@jacky> then
[09:16] <@jacky> if possible
[09:17] <@jacky> again later in the day
[09:17] <@jacky> keep notes
[09:17] <@jacky> a pattern will emerge
[09:17] <@jacky> I bet
[09:17] <@Calum> ok
[09:17] <@jacky> how many times has it been, now... that you've had to add coolant?
[09:17] <@jacky> many?
[09:17] <@Calum> since the heater matrix was replaced just twice
[09:18] <@jacky> wasn't that a couple months ago or so?
[09:18] <@Calum> nope, that was the radiator
[09:18] <@Calum> heater matrix died 2 weeks or so ago, maybe 3
[09:18] <@jacky> is the heater matrix what I would call the heater core? :) the thing inside your cab, that actually blows out the heat?
[09:18] <@Calum> I don't think the garage topped up the coolant to max though afterwards so that would explain one filling
[09:18] <@Calum> yes, that's the one
[09:19] <@jacky> I thought you mentioned that to me a long time ago
[09:19] <@jacky> ok...
[09:19] <@Calum> they put a seal on it, back then
[09:19] <@jacky> then, if you've filled it twice, and think it is possible that once was due to being low from the work.... then the second filling... that could be a very, very slow leak somewhere, I suppose
[09:19] <@jacky> how "low" was it?
[09:20] <@jacky> very?
[09:20] <@jacky> a "seal" ? interesting... never heard of that.
[09:20] <@Calum> yeah it was very low
[09:20] <@jacky> you are lucky that it didn't run hot, if it was very low. How did you detect it?
[09:21] <@Calum> I just thought I'd check it this morning, I do try and check my fluid levels regularly
[09:21] <@jacky> oh.. wait
[09:21] <@Calum> I meant to check yesterday before I set off on my long drive but I was running late...
[09:21] <@jacky> you checked it dead cold?
[09:21] <@jacky> it may read lower then
[09:21] <@jacky> there are probably two levels
[09:21] <@jacky> "full cold"
[09:22] <@jacky> and "full warm"
[09:22] <@Calum> I drove around for 15 minutes or so first, to get it up to operating temperature, then let it cool before I opened the ca
[09:22] <@jacky> it may have an overflow tank
[09:22] <@jacky> ah
[09:22] <@Calum> *cap
[09:22] <@jacky> ok
[09:22] <@jacky> does it have an overflow tank? and that is where you fill it
[09:22] <@jacky> then, when it cools off, it sucks in from there?
[09:22] <@Calum> it does have an overflow tank yes
[09:22] <@jacky> which did you check?
[09:23] <@jacky> the actual radiator? or the overflow tank?
[09:24] <@Calum> overflow tank. States in my manual it should be between two set levels and it was right near the bottom
[09:24] <@jacky> ok
[09:24] <@jacky> good
[09:24] <@jacky> now you have a starting point
[09:24] <@Calum> "expansion tank" = overflow tank?
[09:24] <@jacky> when you checked that, that was when you filled it to the top mark, right?
[09:24] <@Calum> yes
[09:24] <@jacky> re: expansion tank = overlow. Yes
[09:25] <@Calum> cool, just checking
[09:25] <@jacky> and... using that same method... warm it up... day in and day out... check it
[09:25] <@jacky> also... sometime, before you start the car the first time for that day... in other words, dead cold... have a look.
[09:25] <@jacky> the level may be lower
[09:25] <@jacky> it may have sucked in some
[09:25] <@jacky> THEN open the radiator
[09:26] <@Calum> trouble is my drive is on a slant, so checking it dead cold means checking it not on the level
[09:26] <@jacky> it should be full... as it would have sucked in, and filled itself, as it cooled from whenever last run
[09:26] <@jacky> how unlevel?
[09:26] <@jacky> wow..
[09:26] <@jacky> I mean... it can't be THAT bad, unless you live on a mountain side... heheeh
[09:26] <@Calum> heh
[09:26] <@Calum> the drive slopes down from the road, towards my house....not sure of the angle
[09:27] <@jacky> but anyway, you want to know that the radiator is sucking back from the expansion tank, as it should. that's what you want to prove.
[09:27] <@Calum> ok
[09:27] <@jacky> after all that, if it is losing coolant, you'll quickly figure out the rate
[09:27] <@jacky> if it is very, very little... and since the car is old... you might not want to pursue it
[09:28] <@jacky> if it is enough to be a pain in the butt... then you have to pin it down
[09:28] <@Calum> you think it's most likely just a leak though? Nothing serious, unless of course it leaks like a *******?
[09:28] <@jacky> It sounds like it could be
[09:29] <@jacky> but I'm not sure of the rate
[09:29] <@jacky> need more data
[09:29] <@jacky> :)
[09:29] <@Calum> gotcha
[09:29] <@Calum> but you don't think it's likely to be the head gaskey or anything equally disastrous?
[09:29] <@Calum> *gasket
[09:29] <@jacky> and, you need to hope that it is not just a slight problem with a head gasket, as it will only get worse.
[09:29] <@jacky> it is possible, but again, I don't know diesels
[09:29] <@Calum> hmm fair enough
[09:29] <@jacky> diesels have very high compression, I think
[09:29] <@Calum> I only ask because I have a long-ish drive to make on wednesday...
[09:30] <@jacky> so, a head gasket problem might be all or nothing... I just don't know.
[09:30] <@Calum> fair enough
[09:30] <@jacky> if you catch Street here, active
[09:30] <@jacky> describe it to him
[09:30] <@jacky> but do start out telling him it is a diesel
[09:30] <@jacky> he might not have read all this
[09:30] <@Calum> will do
[09:30] <@jacky> he might not be a diesel man, but he's been around a while
[09:30] <@jacky> :)
[09:30] <@jacky> and I know he has at least one diesel tractor
[09:31] <@Calum> hehe...you mean they're not all tractors? Sure sound like 'em....
[09:31] <@Calum> :)
[09:31] <@jacky> eh?
[09:31] <@jacky> oh
[09:31] <@jacky> diesels in general?
[09:31] <@jacky> heheehe
[09:31] <@Calum> hehe yep
[09:31] <@jacky> rattle-rattle....
[09:31] <@Calum> chug chug
[09:31] <@jacky> a friend hasa new diesel Ford pick up truck
[09:31] <@jacky> doesn't even smoke
[09:32] <@jacky> not at all
[09:32] <@jacky> even if he steps on it
[09:32] <@jacky> but, you can still hear the rattle
[09:32] <@jacky> not inside though
[09:32] <@Calum> my aunt's VW Golf doesn't sound like a diesel, nor does it smoke like one
[09:32] <@jacky> it is luxury... very quiet
[09:32] <@jacky> they look to be terribly expensive to repair though
[09:32] <@jacky> all diesels
[09:33] <@jacky> expecially today, with all the computer stuff on vehicles
[09:33] <@Calum> hmm...not sure about that
[09:33] <@Calum> maybe the newer ones
[09:33] <@jacky> yep
[09:33] <@Calum> mine's very simple, even I can understand half of what's udner the bonnet
[09:33] <@jacky> do you have to plug yours in over night, to keep it warmed, so it will start the next day?
[09:34] <@Calum> "bombproof" is how the engine is commonly described...214k+ miles goes a way toards confirming that for me :) and no, it has glowplugs which do that when the ignition key is turned
[09:34] <@jacky> so, it is known to be reliabel and long lasting... that's good. :)
[09:35] <@jacky> re: glowplugs: do you have to let them be on for a minute or something, before starting?
[09:35] <@jacky> this time of year?
[09:35] <@Calum> depends on how cold it is and the condition of the glowplugs...they're not really necessary you can just keep cranking the engine, but it wastes fuel and causes wear. The light indicating that they're glowing, usually goes out after 20 seconds tops
[09:36] <@Calum> if it's not freezing, more like 5-10, and it starts with just one or two cranks
[09:36] <@jacky> I see
[09:37] <@jacky> in the summer though... probably no "glow" time?
[09:37] <@jacky> right?
[09:37] <@jacky> just jump in, and hit it.
[09:37] <@Calum> in the warmer weather I didn't need the glowplugs no, just started up right away
[09:38] <@jacky> ok
[09:38] <@jacky> well... I hope you discover that you were mistaken
[09:38] <@jacky> that you really are not losing coolant
[09:38] <@jacky> that would be best, all around.
[09:38] <@jacky> :)
[09:38] <@Calum> yeah me too...thanks for the help
[09:38] <@jacky> didn't tell you anything you didn't already know
[09:38] <@jacky> heheheeh
[09:38] <@Calum> maybe so, but it helps just to talk through it sometimes
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[09:39] <@jacky> if you can't fix it yourself, at least provide accurate, and plenty of, info to the repairman.
[09:39] <@Calum> yep
[09:39] <@jacky> wait... that sounds just like a post on a computer help forum, eh?
[09:39] <@jacky> hehehee
[09:39] <@Calum> haha
[09:39] <@jacky> what's your uncle have to say about it?
[09:39] <@jacky> is it an uncle? somebody... is a mechanic type...
[09:39] <@Calum> haven't spoken to him lately, he's been on holiday
[09:40] <@Calum> I'll be going round to his soon though, as I said we're going to flush the coolant system anyway
[09:40] <@jacky> it is good to have somebody local... - hands on - that you trust their advice
[09:40] <@jacky> what do you all over there use for coolant?
[09:40] <@jacky> we call it "anti-freeze" sometimes
[09:40] <@Calum> yeah, antifreeze
[09:41] <@jacky> a popular brand name is Prestone here
[09:41] <@jacky> it is usually green
[09:41] <@Calum> antifreeze/water mixture really
[09:41] <@Calum> yeah mine's green
[09:41] <@jacky> old cars, you could run on straight water, as long as it was warm enough weather to stay above freezing.
[09:41] <@jacky> not anymore.. I think they need the coolant capabilities, beyond what water can do
[09:42] <@jacky> and yes, it is a mix, with water.
[09:42] <@jacky> don't let your cat or dog get near any spilled anti-freeze!!
[09:42] <@jacky> they like it, and it will kill.
[09:43] <@Calum> if it's that type, yeah
[09:43] <@Calum> I know
[09:43] <@jacky> ok
[09:43] <@jacky> what other type is there?
[09:43] <@Calum> I can't remember the name of it...
[09:43] <@Calum> but there are two
[09:43] <@jacky> long... long... ago
[09:43] <@jacky> there was alchohol based
[09:43] <@jacky> not ethelene glycol based
[09:43] <@jacky> but... you can't be talking about alchohol based...
[09:44] <@jacky> haven't seen that stuff, in ages.
[09:44] <@jacky> you all over there don't still have it, do you?
[09:44] <@Calum> Propylene glycol, is that it...?
[09:44] <@jacky> beats me
[09:44] <@jacky> heheeheh
[09:45] <@Calum> heh
[09:45] <@Calum> ah well
[09:45] <@jacky> when is your trip, again?
[09:46] <@Calum> Wednesday
[09:46] <@jacky> you have today and tomorrow, to experiment, and make up your mind if it is do-able
[09:46] <@jacky> not a lot, but better than nothing.
[09:46] <@Calum> yeah, if it's just a small leak it'll be ok....
[09:46] <@jacky> there you go
[09:46] <@jacky> take a gallon with you
[09:46] <@jacky> or whatever you all sell it by
[09:46] <@jacky> heheeh
[09:47] <@jacky> brb... small distraction
[09:47] <@Calum> yeah I keep a big bottle of water and some antifreeze in my boot, plus oil, spare tire, tools, etc...just in case. I was a scout "be prepared" :)
[09:47] <@Calum> ok
[09:52] <@jacky> back... but only for a min
[09:52] <@jacky> beware of the big bottle of water.... if it freezes!
[09:52] <@jacky> heheehe
[09:52] <@jacky> other than that, you sound like you are ok
[09:52] <@jacky> I need to go idle for a bit... might be able to have one eye here...
[09:52] <@jacky> not logging off quite yet
[09:53] <@jacky> will look again, in a few minutes, for any further from you
[09:53] <@jacky> 
[09:53] <@Calum> not cold enough for the bottle to freeze heh
[09:53] <@Calum> I'll be off for tonight though, things to do
[09:53] <@Calum> thanks again for talking through it
[09:54] <@Calum> catch you later
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[10:08] <@street1> OI missed calum shame!
[10:09] <@jacky> howdy
[10:09] <@jacky> !seen calum
[10:09] <@jacky> yep
[10:09] <@jacky> hey... did you skim back over what he was talking about with me?
[10:13] <@jacky> 
[10:14] <@jacky> see you later... this evening... :)
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[11:08] <@BC_Programming> hey peeps
[11:08] <@jacky> BC_Programming: Hello
[11:08] <@GlitchPC> sup BC
[11:09] <@jacky> thought you'd disappeared
[11:09] <@jacky> hehe
[11:09] <@jacky> GlitchPC: Hello
[11:09] <@GlitchPC> jacky Hello
[11:09] <@BC_Programming> heh, yeah I've been playing a lot of gamecube lately
[11:17] <@BC_Programming> I almost forgot to pay the bill for my website... sort of
[11:17] <@BC_Programming> I had it set to automatically take it from my paypal
[11:17] <@BC_Programming> but it turns out... it will only withdraw from my "primary" currency
[11:17] <@BC_Programming> which I had set to U.S Dollars. Only had a dollar in that currency
[11:18] <@BC_Programming> so the hundred or so canadian didn't count. had to actually sign in and manually pay the rest.
[11:18] <@GlitchPC> good to go now?
[11:18] <@BC_Programming> yep
[11:19] <@BC_Programming> they have a 7 day grace period or something, so the site was actually never down
[11:19] <@GlitchPC> sweet...how often do you pay? Quarterly?
[11:19] <@BC_Programming> once a month, $2.99
[11:19] <@GlitchPC> ahh...
[11:19] <@BC_Programming> the domain is once a year
[11:20] <@GlitchPC> I pop over to your site every once in a while to see what's what
[11:20] <@BC_Programming> heh, yeah nothing really changed for the last while
[11:20] <@BC_Programming> mostly just blog entries
[11:21] <@GlitchPC> Personally I like the blog page and reference to possums...
[11:21] <@GlitchPC> Probably confuses th hell outta most visitors
[11:21] <@BC_Programming> heh, and yet there are no actual possum references
[11:22] <@GlitchPC> Visitors probably say...what the hell do possums have to do with this site? LOL!\
[11:22] <@BC_Programming> heh
[11:22] <@BC_Programming> or the possum holiday song- "12 kinds of roadkill"
[11:22] <@BC_Programming> "and the first kind of roadkill that cletus gave to me"
[11:22] <@BC_Programming> "possum"
[11:23] <@GlitchPC> Did anyone get the YouTube Christmas song I left earlier?
[11:24] <@BC_Programming> not I
[11:25] <@GlitchPC> Merry Christmas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B6DzxwoNNA
[11:27] <@BC_Programming> hee hee
[11:28] <@GlitchPC> Have a good one guys...I was just poppin' in to wreak some havoc...
[11:28] <@BC_Programming> ok
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[12:35] <Ashley> Hello
[12:36] <@BC_Programming> greetings
[12:36] <Ashley> can someone help me quickly with google adwords
[12:36] <@jacky> Ashley: describe your CSS problem to BC... he might know somethign about it
[12:37] <Ashley> ok BC_Programming
[12:37] <Ashley> i need some css help
[12:37] <@BC_Programming> ok
[12:37] <Ashley> well can you go to
[12:37] <Ashley> www,ashleywatson.zzl.org
[12:38] <Ashley> and if you look at the top
[12:38] <Ashley> you will see the status
[12:38] <Ashley> how do i get that box below it (the background) behind the actual status
[12:38] <Ashley> ?
[12:38] <@BC_Programming> hmm
[12:38] <@BC_Programming> let me check
[12:38] <Ashley> ok thanks
[12:44] <@BC_Programming> in the status div tag... there's a ul tag
[12:44] <@BC_Programming> can you change that to a div and see what happens?
[12:45] <@BC_Programming> I'll try to find the CSS itself in the meantime
[12:46] <Ashley> ok 1 sec
[12:51] <@BC_Programming> only other thing I can come up with is in css/home_header.css; near the bottom there is a section for "#status P" which would change the way the <p> tag that is within the status div is displayed, so another idea might be to remove that <p> tag, and see if it now appears within the box... and if so, that means the #status P values need some fiddling.
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[13:30] <@jacky> Ashley: wakey-wakey
[13:30] <@jacky> are you around?
[13:30] <@jacky> <g>
[13:31] <Ashley> sorry
[13:31] <@jacky> np
[13:31] <Silvermunkee> hello ashley
[13:31] <@jacky> See Silvermunkee there?
[13:32] <Ashley> erm well i got rid of that ul tag and know the status (text) doesnt even show up
[13:32] <@jacky> I think he knows something about how to make a "from scratch" bot connect
[13:32] <Ashley> ok
[13:32] <@jacky> his was not php
[13:32] <@jacky> but ask anyway
[13:32] <Ashley> 1 sec just doing this css thing
[13:32] <Silvermunkee> i would, considering ive made like 5 from scratch
[13:32] <Silvermunkee> kk
[13:32] <Ashley> BC_Programming
[13:32] <Silvermunkee> i should learn some css... would help with the website you know?
[13:32] <@BC_Programming> OK Ashley, just plop it back in and try removing the <p> or changing the home_header.css values for #status P
[13:32] <Ashley> ^
[13:32] <@jacky> Ashley: it paid off, to return. heheheh Yesterday, or whenever... there was nobody that knew this for you....
[13:32] <Ashley> ok
[13:33] <@jacky> Silvermunkee: they are in a project... hang tight if you can
[13:33] <Silvermunkee> kk
[13:33] <Silvermunkee> i can
[13:34] <Ashley> BC_Programming
[13:35] <Ashley> know the text shows up but the background doesnt
[13:35] <Ashley> 1 sec
[13:35] <@BC_Programming> ok, put it back then
[13:35] <@BC_Programming> must be something with the #status p{ section in the css file
[13:37] <Ashley> ok ive put it all back#
[13:38] <@BC_Programming> k, check out css/home_header.css, I imagine the issue is caused by something with the #status or #status p entries, near the bottom.
[13:38] <Ashley> ok let me just check it out
[13:39] <Ashley> maybe ive wrote something twiec
[13:39] <Ashley> twice*
[13:39] <@jacky> 
[13:40] <@jacky> you all have a lot of fun
[13:40] <@jacky> I'll be back... a couple hours or so
[13:40] <@jacky> :)
[13:40] <@jacky> Ashley: I'm glad you met BC
[13:40] <@BC_Programming> k
[13:40] <@jacky> I hope it works out for you
[13:40] <@jacky> bye for now
[13:40] <@jacky> :)
[13:40] <Ashley> thank jacky bye
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[13:40] <Ashley> erm BC_Programming i cant see anything wrong
[13:40] <@BC_Programming> hmm
[13:40] <@BC_Programming> well neither did I, really
[13:41] <@BC_Programming> that just seems like the logical place that would mess it up
[13:41] <Ashley> erm
[13:41] <@BC_Programming> you could always try doing that portion over again
[13:41] <Ashley> 1 sec
[13:41] <Ashley> i may have a brake through
[13:41] <Ashley> 1 sec
[13:41] <@BC_Programming> k
[13:41] <Silvermunkee> Ashley if you need help with connecting your bot, just highlight me, ill be here
[13:42] <Ashley> well i need help making it at the moment
[13:42] <Ashley> lol
[13:42] <Silvermunkee> cant help you there, im a python kinda guy
[13:42] <Ashley> BC_Programming i have good news
[13:42] <Ashley> ive done it
[13:42] <@BC_Programming> good work
[13:43] <Ashley> and Silvermunkee erm well what would the connect php command be ?
[13:43] <Ashley> to connect to my channel
[13:43] <Ashley> well firstly
[13:43] <Ashley> how do you make yours
[13:43] <Silvermunkee> well, you need to learn socket interface with php
[13:43] <Silvermunkee> in python
[13:43] <Silvermunkee> its
[13:43] <Silvermunkee> import socket
[13:43] <Ashley> so whats python ?
[13:43] <@BC_Programming> a programming language
[13:44] <Silvermunkee> well hold on lemme look at my scripts
[13:44] <Silvermunkee> sockets usually have weird syntax
[13:44] <Ashley> ok
[13:44] <Ashley> BC_Porgramming
[13:44] <Ashley> another probelm
[13:45] <Ashley> BC_Programming im just going to upload the new set of coding etc
[13:45] <Ashley> updated
[13:45] <Silvermunkee> irc = socket.socket ( socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM )
[13:45] <Silvermunkee> irc.connect ( ( network, port ) )
[13:45] <Silvermunkee> irc.send(b'NICK ' + Private.nick)
[13:45] <Silvermunkee> irc.send(b'USER ' + Private.user)
[13:45] <Silvermunkee> TestingRoom.joinchan()
[13:45] <Silvermunkee> thats basic connection in python
[13:46] <Silvermunkee> private.nick and user are set variables for the nickname and username of the bot
[13:46] <@BC_Programming> you'd probably need to set the network and port variables before that snippet methinks
[13:46] <Silvermunkee> yep
[13:46] <Silvermunkee> port being 6667
[13:46] <Silvermunkee> network being irc.mibbit.net
[13:46] <Silvermunkee> and the join chan is a simple function that joins a channel
[13:47] <Silvermunkee> irc.send(b'JOIN ' + self.channel + b'\r\n')
[13:47] <Silvermunkee> thats what it looks like
[13:47] <Silvermunkee> self.channel being the actual channel
[13:47] <Ashley> ok..... confusing
[13:47] <Ashley> but im shore i will understand it soon
[13:48] <Ashley> BC_Programming
[13:48] <Ashley> if you go to www.ahleywatson.zzl.org
[13:48] <Ashley> you will see y new problem
[13:48] <@BC_Programming> well at least it's in the box now
[13:49] <Ashley> ye
[13:49] <Ashley> just we need the box move down
[13:49] <Silvermunkee> Ashley: ill look up some php socket stuff and see what i can draw from that
[13:49] <Silvermunkee> brb
[13:49] <@BC_Programming> what did you change?
[13:52] <Silvermunkee> http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.sockets.php
[13:52] <Silvermunkee> thats a guide on php sockets
[13:52] <Ashley> 1 sec Silvermunkee
[13:52] <Silvermunkee> kk
[13:52] <Ashley> BC_Programming - i removed the <p> tag, and in the css i just moved the #status P into the #status
[13:53] <@BC_Programming> ok
[14:02] <Ashley> any ideas BC ?
[14:02] <@BC_Programming> not really
[14:02] <@BC_Programming> sorry
[14:02] <camerongray> BC: I have joined the WhatPulse team :)
[14:02] <@BC_Programming> cool
[14:03] <@BC_Programming> curses though I noticed a while ago that CH is already there
[14:03] <camerongray> lets beat them!!!
[14:03] <@BC_Programming> heehee
[14:03] <camerongray> brb
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[14:06] <Silvermunkee> i gotta go snowblow my driveway, ill brb
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[14:19] <Ashley> BC_Programming
[14:19] <Ashley> i have done it
[14:19] <Ashley> :)
[14:19] <@BC_Programming> excellent
[14:19] <@BC_Programming> congratulations
[14:19] <camerongray> WhatPulse is amazing - I have typed 222 keys in under 10 mins
[14:20] <@BC_Programming> so far I have around 14 thousand typed keys
[14:20] <camerongray> lol
[14:20] <@BC_Programming> for some reason sending it to the server clears it though
[14:20] <@BC_Programming> that's kind of annoying
[14:21] <Ashley> what is whatpulse ?
[14:21] <@BC_Programming> it's a program that keeps track of how many times you type keys and clicks and how far you move the mouse
[14:21] <@BC_Programming> really cool
[14:21] <Ashley> cool
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[14:32] <Ashley> BC can you quickly help me
[14:33] <@BC_Programming> ok
[14:33] <@BC_Programming> what this time
[14:33] <Ashley> go to www.ashleywatson.zzl.org
[14:33] <Ashley> then if you look at the status and it is sticking out
[14:33] <Ashley> how would i make it so that it stays in the box
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> good question
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> that's a CSS attribute, let me see if I can find out what it was
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> got it
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> it's the "overflow" attribute
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> overflow:hidden
[14:34] <Ashley> ye
[14:35] <Ashley> what shall i do ?
[14:35] <@BC_Programming> add overflow:hidden; to the proper CSS
[14:35] <@BC_Programming> #status { if I recall
[14:38] <Ashley> ?

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[14:39] <Ashley> what about #status {
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[14:39] <@BC_Programming> add the overflow attribute
[14:39] <Ashley> its in there already
[14:39] <Ashley> overflow: hidden;
[14:39] <@BC_Programming> or maybe it was #status p... or was that the one you moved
[14:40] <Ashley> overflow attribute is in the #status
[14:40] <Ashley> #status P has gone
[14:40] <@BC_Programming> ok
[14:40] <@BC_Programming> then I don't know
[14:40] <Ashley> could it be the width ?
[14:40] <@BC_Programming> http://www.w3schools.com/Css/pr_pos_overflow.asp
[14:41] <@BC_Programming> try other values for overflow and see if it changes
[15:02] <Ashley> done it
[15:02] <Ashley> just resized the image
[15:02] <@BC_Programming> cool
[15:23] <Silvermunkee> back
[15:29] <Ashley> BC sorry but can you help me with 1 more thing
[15:29] <Ashley> dont worry its not about the status thing this time
[15:47] <Ashley> ?
[16:04] <Ashley> well bye guys
[16:04] <Ashley> speak to you all tomorrow
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[20:40] <mib_l0tbiz> anyone here
[20:40] <@BC_Programming> I am
[20:41] <mib_l0tbiz> I was wondering about this chat
[20:41] <@BC_Programming> what about it
[20:41] <mib_l0tbiz> I have flashchat and it uses alot of cpu
[20:41] <mib_l0tbiz> when more than say 10 users online
[20:41] <@BC_Programming> oh... so about using IRC instead
[20:41] <mib_l0tbiz> I don't know what irc is
[20:42] <@BC_Programming> it's what your using now
[20:42] <mib_l0tbiz> ok so what does it use as far as cpu memory etc
[20:42] <@BC_Programming> that depends what client you use
[20:42] <@BC_Programming> right now... are you viewing this in a browser?
[20:43] <mib_l0tbiz> this chat program is name chatbox right
[20:43] <@BC_Programming> that would likely be the Ajax chat, it's merely one of a countless number of clients you could choose to chat in IRC
[20:43] <mib_l0tbiz> why do host hate irc
[20:43] <@BC_Programming> for example.... I'm using a program called mIRC to chat right now
[20:43] <@BC_Programming> host?
[20:43] <@BC_Programming> you mean for actually opping a irc network?
[20:43] <mib_l0tbiz> maybe i am sl;iow
[20:44] <mib_l0tbiz> the program we are using is named chatbox it is listed on vb forum
[20:44] <@BC_Programming> no, that's the client your using right now
[20:44] <@BC_Programming> I'm using mIRC
[20:44] <@BC_Programming> there are countless numbers of different clients... they can all connect to IRC servers
[20:44] <@BC_Programming> in this case, the IRC server is mibbit.net
[20:45] <mib_l0tbiz> ok so my client chat program uses to much cpu so does this client program use a lot of resources also
[20:45] <@BC_Programming> I don't know
[20:45] <@BC_Programming> do you mean on the server
[20:45] <@BC_Programming> or the client?
[20:45] <mib_l0tbiz> server
[20:45] <@BC_Programming> I doubt it
[20:45] <mib_l0tbiz> ok I see mibbit.com
[20:45] <@BC_Programming> basically just takes up space... the client machine will be the one that connects to mibbit
[20:46] <mib_l0tbiz> oh good idea
[20:46] <mib_l0tbiz> irc means remote hosted chat right
[20:46] <@BC_Programming> no
[20:46] <@BC_Programming> Internet Relay Chat
[20:46] <mib_l0tbiz> ok
[20:46] <@BC_Programming> the server is the one that handles all the work... as I said, in this case, the server machine is mibbit.net
[20:47] <@BC_Programming> a client connects to the server, and sends specific data to the server to join channels, identify themselves, etc
[20:47] <@BC_Programming> and of course send text to a channel
[20:47] <@BC_Programming> the server then sends any relevant data to the members of the channel
[20:47] <mib_l0tbiz> i got here from a link on http://glitchpc.com/forums/ so the licnk from the forum connects me to remote chat
[20:48] <mib_l0tbiz> on mibbit.net
[20:48] <@BC_Programming> yes
[20:48] <mib_l0tbiz> so they have the load on thier servers
[20:48] <@BC_Programming> yes
[20:48] <mib_l0tbiz> but the drawbacvk is they have the google ads popups
[20:48] <@BC_Programming> no
[20:49] <@BC_Programming> that's just the client your using
[20:49] <mib_l0tbiz> ok
[20:49] <@BC_Programming> chatbox evo, I believe it was called
[20:49] <@BC_Programming> as I said- I'm using a program called mIRC; I just start it straight from my desktop, it's a separate program from my Firefox or internet explorer browsers
[20:49] <mib_l0tbiz> i have a large forum and i installed flashchat and it all runs on my server and flashchat hogs cpu
[20:49] <@BC_Programming> and I can connect straight away to mibbit and then join GlitchPC
[20:50] <@BC_Programming> yeah, flashchat is pretty intensive
[20:50] <mib_l0tbiz> do you know of a chat program that i can use that intregrates with vb that isn't cpu hog
[20:51] <mib_l0tbiz> i have my on servers
[20:51] <@BC_Programming> there are a lot of IRC clients that integrate with Vbulletin
[20:51] <mib_l0tbiz> so why do host say they don't allow irc
[20:51] <@BC_Programming> chatbox is just one of many
[20:51] <@BC_Programming> they don't allow IRC servers to be run through their host
[20:52] <@BC_Programming> IRC servers take the brunt of the work from running IRC
[20:52] <mib_l0tbiz> because of the bandwidth
[20:52] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[20:52] <@BC_Programming> but if you add a IRC client, that's different
[20:52] <@BC_Programming> the client is almost always run on the client machine- the person using your site
[20:52] <@BC_Programming> through the browser, say, through java or a small flash program
[20:53] <mib_l0tbiz> ok so I am looking for a clint chat program to replace flashchat running on my server
[20:53] <@BC_Programming> so the client browser on your visitors machine is the one connecting to the irc server
[20:53] <@BC_Programming> first, you probably want to register a channel through mibbit
[20:53] <mib_l0tbiz> thanks for the help
[20:53] <mib_l0tbiz> beleave it or not i been hosting since 97
[20:53] <mib_l0tbiz> never got into chats
[20:54] <mib_l0tbiz> yeah i know i sound like a newbee :0
[20:55] <mib_l0tbiz> do you have forums or host
[20:55] <@BC_Programming> ?
[20:55] <@BC_Programming> I don't run GlitchPC.com
[20:55] <@BC_Programming> That would be GlitchPC and Calum that are admins there
[20:56] <@BC_Programming> but I believe it is hosted through 1and1
[20:56] <@BC_Programming> my site, http://bc-programming.com, is hosted by byethost.net
[20:56] <@BC_Programming> I'd host myself with my spare PC, but my upstream bandwidth is pretty bad
[20:57] <mib_l0tbiz> you might be better with a vps
[20:57] <@BC_Programming> too expensive
[20:57] <@BC_Programming> at least for now
[20:57] <mib_l0tbiz> ok i understand that
[20:57] <mib_l0tbiz> you a student
[20:58] <@BC_Programming> well, no, but I don't really feel I need a vps right now
[20:58] <@BC_Programming> I might get one though, eventually
[20:59] <@BC_Programming> I did consider it initially; but I can always upgrade later, and I don't really need anything that only a virtual Private server offers right now.
[20:59] <mib_l0tbiz> I use a vps for backup offsite
[20:59] <mib_l0tbiz> 24.95 month 80 gig space and whm/cpanel
[20:59] <@BC_Programming> Although a vps would be nice since then I could use Active Server Pages instead of php
[21:00] <mib_l0tbiz> i have 2 main servers one a unix the other windows
[21:00] <mib_l0tbiz> asp is not what it use to be, seems more trouble than it's worht anymore
[21:00] <@BC_Programming> asp.net is the weird one
[21:01] <@BC_Programming> I'm thinking just asp
[21:01] <mib_l0tbiz> i use to be a certified microsoft web presence provider
[21:01] <@BC_Programming> but since I was stuck with php I used it, and now that I've gotten the hang of it it really isn't so bad
[21:01] <mib_l0tbiz> php runs great
[21:01] <mib_l0tbiz> asp runs great until it breaks :)
[21:02] <mib_l0tbiz> I still have a few sites that use asp for shopping carts etc,
[21:02] <@BC_Programming> main reason I'd want asp and a vps
[21:02] <@BC_Programming> is so I could just write COM components and have the asp simply call those for all the work
[21:03] <mib_l0tbiz> yep but got to go with the flow and it is php
[21:03] <@BC_Programming> well actually since I'm not using a vps and it's either php or perl, I went with php
[21:03] <mib_l0tbiz> saw yuor site boy those colors are hard on the eyes
[21:04] <@BC_Programming> I know some perl, but not enough to be useful. and the paradigm shift to php wasn't as great
[21:04] <@BC_Programming> I've been working on my blog, mostly
[21:05] <mib_l0tbiz> i know when you can read an asp file it is simular to understanding a php file just takes alittle more time and also a knowledge of mysql
[21:05] <@BC_Programming> asp can be a lot of languages
[21:05] <mib_l0tbiz> get much traffic on your blog
[21:05] <@BC_Programming> dunno, mostly spam comments
[21:06] <mib_l0tbiz> i hate spammers
[21:06] <@BC_Programming> it's mostly a place where I can dump things when I want to rant or discuss something
[21:06] <@BC_Programming> mostly after I hear about it on a forum and do a brain-dump in a post
[21:07] <@BC_Programming> thankfully akismet catches all the spam
[21:07] <mib_l0tbiz> i have a forum for classic cars
[21:07] <mib_l0tbiz> oh well gotta go thanks for all the information
[21:07] <@BC_Programming> your welcome
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